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8/24/2010 4:11 pm  #1


Hook Factor

Hey Marty, how are you going with the dial in calculation methodology?
Is it working for our scale? would you recommend it?

Mark


Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
 

8/24/2010 8:43 pm  #2


Re: Hook Factor

Hi Guys here are articles from the '80s regarding 1:1 bracket racing and a theory about calculating the best dial in... enjoy and if you use the system, tell us how you go:
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/HowTo/HookFactor1.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/HowTo/HookFactor2.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/HowTo/SonofHookFactor.jpg

Mark


Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
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8/25/2010 3:54 pm  #3


Re: Hook Factor

Here is a worksheet you can use:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/HowTo/HookFactorworksheet.jpg


Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
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8/29/2010 7:02 pm  #4


Re: Hook Factor

I have written the following 7 line program for a CASIO fx-5800P programmable calculator, it does all the calculations for you (saves carying around a laptop if you choose not to do the paperwork):

HOOK FACTOR:
"ET 1"? -->A:"MPH 1"? --> B:AxB-->C:C
"ET 2"? -->D:"MPH 2"? --> E:DxE-->F:F
"ET 3"? -->G:"MPH 3"? --> H:GxH-->I:I
B-->K:IF E>K:THEN E-->K: ELSE K-->K:IfEnd:IF H>K:THEN H-->K:ELSE K-->K:IfEnd
C-->J:IF F<J:THEN F-->J: ELSE J-->J:IfEnd:IF I<J:THEN I-->J:ELSE J-->J:IfEnd:Goto1
Lbl1:"DIAL IN:"
J÷K


It displays the Hook Factor for each run,
and
The optimal dial in, according to the theory.

Mark


Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
     Thread Starter
 

11/27/2010 12:57 am  #5


Re: Hook Factor

If you are consistent with your car it should work just fine.

 

11/27/2010 6:33 am  #6


Re: Hook Factor

I've tried it ,and sometimes use it ,I've found that it gives enough cushion to keep a car from breaking- out in the first round, at the same time if your real slow on the tree,a good light by your opponet will nail ya 

 

11/28/2010 6:10 am  #7


Re: Hook Factor

gonegonzo ,What it works out too ,is  simply takes your best E.T and highest Mph. and gives yo a Dial-in time for that car ,which if it should given one of those unexplained fast passes, l won't break out. I run slower cars and am slow on the reaction time , even with the HOOK FACTOR formula ,my car will not break out,But due to the extra allowance for the fastest run , my slow reaction time to the tree allows my opponet who is quicker at the lights to run me down. boils down to the basics HE WHO HAS THE CONSISTANT CAR AND BEST REACTION TIME WINS... as it should be. Then it doesn't fiqure in luck! I won a race where I looked at the time slips the next day,every opponet either red lighted or broke-out

 

12/02/2010 6:49 am  #8


Re: Hook Factor

Marty wrote:

Bill Baughn wrote:

Do you really think THE HOOK FACTOR would work and apply to our scale of cars?  Has anyone actually done the math?

I think guys are looking for a formula that assures a win every pass but boys'n girls, that doesn't exist. Both Brandon and David nail it on the head. You have to be able to set up you car to be within 1% pass over pass and you have to be able to cut a light. IF you can do these two things your still not assured a win racing a guy who hits his number dead on and cuts a perfect light. Why would you think it would? But think about how many times you've seen the perfect pass! What the formula will do is increase your percentage of wins. By how much? Yea, depends on the two items mentioned. You still have to do your homework and practice. If you want a sure bet, bet on the sun coming up tomorrow.   

Does it work in this scale? And has anyone done the math? Yes and Yes 

to win you need a combo of luck and skill  and we all know its better to be lucky than good!!!

I was in a big money race once and I had a problem with a bad hollow axle where it i needed to drill it out to remove it but I didn't have that option at the race that day so I had to deal with it.... I made it all the way to the final round.... a combo of Red lights and breakouts and a few perfect packages when I could get it down the track!!!


There are no ties in drag racing. Thank god!!!
 

2/20/2011 9:00 am  #9


Re: Hook Factor

Tried this out last night on 3 of my cars
track did not have many racers there but glue ammount varied a great deal and
was getting painfull to wipe up a truck load of glue only to have it reapplied
at one time it seemed that the shut down area looked bare in comparison 
made 3 runs with each of my cars to get the Hook Factor

Escort Edge ran  11.20,11.50,12.12,  HF was 12.00   Ran 11.292 
Christine      ran  12.13,12.59,12.46,   HF was 12.15   Ran 12.425   
Sunfire funny ran  .947,1.03,.985,       HF was .980    Ran  .962 

I still think this could help but mostly my results mean i need more experience reading the glue
should i add these results to obtain a new HF or just start fresh each time I go ?
will try again this week on T&T night usually only a couple of us there.
was still a good night
Royz


Just enjoying Life and Slots
 

2/20/2011 10:25 am  #10


Re: Hook Factor

Marty wrote:

novaz wrote:

Tried this out last night on 3 of my cars
track did not have many racers there but glue ammount varied a great deal and
was getting painfull to wipe up a truck load of glue only to have it reapplied
at one time it seemed that the shut down area looked bare in comparison 
made 3 runs with each of my cars to get the Hook Factor

Escort Edge ran  11.20,11.50,12.12,  HF was 12.00   Ran 11.292 
Christine      ran  12.13,12.59,12.46,   HF was 12.15   Ran 12.425   
Sunfire funny ran  .947,1.03,.985,       HF was .980    Ran  .962 

I still think this could help but mostly my results mean i need more experience reading the glue
should i add these results to obtain a new HF or just start fresh each time I go ?
will try again this week on T&T night usually only a couple of us there.
was still a good night
Royz

Go back and re-read the article. You left out half the formula. 

Hi Marty
I did include the mph when i worked out the HF i just did not bother including it in the results here
as I figured only the E.T.was of interest
but i do appreciate ya checking up on me 


Just enjoying Life and Slots
 

2/20/2011 11:24 am  #11


Re: Hook Factor

Roy,

I have no idea whether or not this system works, but if in 3 runs your car goes from .947 to 1.03, there isn't a chance that any formula is going to be able to predict what it will run on the next pass. If you can get the car between .947-.957, then maybe it can work. Work on making your cars run with a minmum of glue, and they will be much more consistent. Try gearing changes like a 2.90 to 3.10, use .435 wide tires, and some added weight will all make a car calm down and be consistent. 


Knowledge does not equal Understanding, and the Truth is the Truth, no matter what you think of it...........
 

2/20/2011 12:11 pm  #12


Re: Hook Factor

Thanks for the input Steve
I was using only what i could not get cleared off the track in time
Probably the T+T night will be better as no one who heavy glues turns up usually
plus i maybe need to clean my tires better


Just enjoying Life and Slots
 

2/04/2012 10:30 pm  #13


Re: Hook Factor

Good idea the chart.

Not sure if i had a car going .790s and my fastest speed was 63.4 and slowest et an .835 i would want to dial in at a .754 though.

Is there a way to formulate it to skin the cat a little closer?

 

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