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4/28/2010 12:19 pm  #1


Wheelstanders are fun

Willy in the rocket thread you mentioned you are are going to make a wheelstander.  Personally I reckon they are most fun bracket you can race.  I built my first one in the late '70s when Bill Shrewsberry toured here.  In fact, at a display I met him and he drove my car for the crowds.  Here is my wheelstanding history:

The car Wild Bill drove.  a 16D inline where the motor was vertical as the car went down the track, it resembles a famous B Gasser from NZ in late '70s:
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/MarksMuseum/JumpnJackFlash53PopularWS02.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/MarksMuseum/JumpnJackFlash53PopularWS02a.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/MarksMuseum/-1979NZHRMarticle.jpg


then a sidewinder design from early '80s the original whisperjet belt drive was replaced by a gear:
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/MarksMuseum/LittleRedWagon65A100WS02.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/MarksMuseum/LittleRedWagon65A100WS02a.jpg


The design was successful so just change the body style;
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/MarksMuseum/BerryWagon29FordWS02.jpg


then on to the next century so tried a Gp12 in a DRS frame with motor behind the axle
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/MarksRe-creations/HurstHemiUnderGlass66BaracudaWS02.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/MarksRe-creations/HurstHemiUnderGlass66BaracudaWS02a.jpg


then last year I wanted a reliable consistent & different DYO bracket car:
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/MarksHardbodies/LADart75DodgeDart02a.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/MarksHardbodies/LADart75DodgeDart03.jpg


It goes 1.45 for full track stand. rain hail or shine


Hope you like
Mark


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4/28/2010 5:22 pm  #2


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

Kool!  I'm using a DRS back half, getting a drop arm from one of the d3 retro cars,.078 " piano wire main rails,cutting the wheelie bar at the axle up-rights and hinging them(with a stop to limit the 'stand/no stop on the swing arm.the only 16D I own(a old rotor) geared 14/48 or so,D-100 lexan body,Pro-Tracks all around.Even thought about turning the body 180 and recreating the "Back-up Pick-up". Well ,that's the plan....

Last edited by WillyG1405 (5/01/2010 5:54 pm)


Why waste energy trying to run .4's when we can shoot for the .3's! Anybody want to go 150mph? 160?
 

4/28/2010 5:42 pm  #3


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

Awesome Willy, the chassis specs (DRS back half) in your design are almot identical to my Hemi Under Glass above. I would love to see a recreation of the "backup pickup", the"Bardhal VW Kombi" or the "Fugitive" Corvette.  keep in touch and if I can help, just yell out.

I have also joined two DRS backhalves and made an  old school twin Top Gun Mura powered,  4WD Hurst Hairy Olds, but thats another thread...

Mark


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4/28/2010 7:03 pm  #4


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

I like the evolution of your wheel stand cars NZ Mark, my first was a Parma edge modified by adding a swing arm and rasing the wheelie bars so it carried the front end only a couple inches high. I also combined two motor mounts from some whomp chassis an a flexi car center section for a 4 wheel drive pick-up truck ,would pull thru any glue and was very consistand . two 16d for motors.  wasn't there a 4 wheeled drive two engined ,fuel dragster tried during the 60's?? be a monster to build !

 

4/28/2010 9:51 pm  #5


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

THanks David,  Im now experimenting with balance weights etc so the car launches hard (Front wheels in the air) then settles back and runs on through  only work in progress though.  Gomer did the body for me but recent health events have kept me from completing the car:

sitting on the line
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/Workbench/70ChallengerRT000a.jpg

The body comes up and front wheels drop on the "suspension"
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/Workbench/70ChallengerRT000b.jpg

the car goes into a wheelstand
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/Workbench/70ChallengerRT000c.jpg


Paint is a true fire job by Gomer, with twin turbos and a pro stock wing...
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/Workbench/Flamethrower70Challenger002f.jpg


Final assembly is required:
-3d Protrack wheels
-Interior
-correct weightg to achieve the "launch"

Mark


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4/29/2010 8:22 am  #6


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

Cool Challenger,by the way another project in line is a falcon7 powered Anglia(or is it "popular"),with a modified DRS -46 Bracket Master 1 chassis. was going to build it inline ,but may go sidewinder (the chassis has had a 16D in it on the angle),Dynamic Halibrands on front .Pro-track rears,3/32 axle conversion allready done.Small diaplane and pro stock style wing.Should run like a scared ape!Also converting some of my door cars to roadsters with WRP's 32 roadster body.2 altereds to build and at least 12 bodies to paint (just as soon as I get moved again,twice now in 6 months!!!!),that's besides the neo program,I can rest next year!!!!


Why waste energy trying to run .4's when we can shoot for the .3's! Anybody want to go 150mph? 160?
 

4/29/2010 12:00 pm  #7


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

Yep Willy, its always to have a project or two to tinker with when its bad outside.  We are heading into winter here so I guess i'll get a few things finished like the Challenger, Chrysler turbine, Hybrid powered (g20D) N/FC, Carbon fibre drag bike etc.

Mark


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4/29/2010 1:11 pm  #8


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

Back in my thirtys , I would work eight hours at the job, go eat , go to the track , test for a couple of hours, come home and build stuff for a couple of hours, party a while , then sleep for 4-6 hours and do it again! Now that #60! is coming in September , I'm getting up at 3:45 ,getting ready- onthe road for 1 1/2 hours , working 9-10 hours, coming home (1 1/2 hours), supper , chores, fall asleep watching the tube and planning to get to the slot cars a.s.a.p.! Summers coming and my bike( '99 Kawasaki 1500 Drifter) wants equal time,lol! Maybe I can slow down in the fall( no, hunting season!)!


Why waste energy trying to run .4's when we can shoot for the .3's! Anybody want to go 150mph? 160?
 

4/29/2010 6:27 pm  #9


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

Willy I know what you are saying.  Im turning 50 this year.  I'll be really slowing down on Slot cars this coming December because I'll have a newborn.

Mark


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5/01/2010 6:02 pm  #10


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

By the way,is that a Dart or a Valiant I see on your i.d.? Had a "64 4-door (247,000 mi. on the clock before a tornado{wind} picked it up and bent it),then had a '69 2-door with a 273(it got taken out by a T-Bird).Love the Mopars,just have rotten luck with them!


Why waste energy trying to run .4's when we can shoot for the .3's! Anybody want to go 150mph? 160?
 

5/01/2010 6:52 pm  #11


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

Hi Willy, its my 1970 VF Valiant Regal Coupe  (An Australasian Dart -US from the front pillar back & Australian front clip) .  Its an ultra stock streeter.  It has a mild 318 2bbl and auto.  Bit of a handfull because it doesnt have power steering so you have to muscle it round town, so Im a woose and have an A4 oudi for daily use.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/RealCars/VFValiant-00.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/RealCars/VFValiant-00a.jpg

[imghttp://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/RealCars/VFValiant-00d.jpg[/img]

This is my topgun 6 mag powered slot version:
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/MarksLexan/70VFValiant03.jpg



Mark

Last edited by NZ Mark (5/01/2010 6:53 pm)


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6/01/2010 2:01 pm  #12


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

NZ MARK,
You have some awesome cars sir.  The 1979 article is extremely cool!  I am working on a 65 altered wheel base Chevy II, it will have approx 3/4 to 1 inch body and front xle travel.  I have a 53 Chevy BelAir with falcon 7 that suprised me, running 1.200's consistent, It has 1/2 to 3/4 inch frontend movement.  I call this car beautifully ugly, lol.
http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab123/64THANDFINE/007.jpg


http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab123/64THANDFINE/004.jpg

Last edited by TIMMY! (6/01/2010 2:29 pm)


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6/01/2010 2:32 pm  #13


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

Hi Timmy, thanks,  the '53 BelAir is really cool (and Im a mopar guy),
So when it takes off it launches wheels up? and then settles back down for the run?

I would love to see a video of that!!
All the best mate

Mark


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6/01/2010 2:55 pm  #14


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

Thanks Mark,
1st the hood comes off before the run, lol.  It will fly off about 1/3 track if I do not remove it.  The front wheels ar static, the body lifts to give the appearance of shock extension.  Then it settles back down and runs very smooth.  The Chevy II will lift wheels, axle and body.  I will try to video, but my camera is not so great, old 3.1 pixel kodak, it does take good pic's up close though.
Also Mopars are Awesome,
Timmy!

Last edited by TIMMY! (6/01/2010 3:41 pm)


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6/01/2010 4:57 pm  #15


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

Excellent Timmy,  I had the problem with a Willys hood as well.  I came up with a solution that might work for you too...

I got a couple of button neos from a refrigerator magnet and glued them inside the body (behind firewall etc) Then I glued the short bits of axle that I had cut off, inside the hood (adjacent to where the magnets were located).  When I put the hood in place, the neos hold the it on well, but you can still take the hood off to show the motor. 

Hope this helps

M


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10/26/2010 12:56 pm  #16


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

Am I doing this right?

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll258/scoobedog/batmobile/dragcarsbig/Picture489.jpg

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll258/scoobedog/batmobile/dragcarsbig/Picture490.jpg

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll258/scoobedog/batmobile/dragcarsbig/Picture491.jpg


http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll258/scoobedog/batmobile/a0e367c03f5c027b7fb69e750f53975130b0a7aa_t.gif
 

10/26/2010 1:48 pm  #17


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

You're on your way Scoobe dog,mine is totally diffrent build out of an EDGE, and will run true one night and go unstable the next , that one your building should work good! Kids that come into the track to see whats going on love to see a wheelstander go!

Last edited by davidRevans (10/26/2010 1:49 pm)

 

10/26/2010 3:05 pm  #18


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

Mark, do you think if you used say half the length of the chassis instead of using a full wheel base length the car would then just come up a little and set back down? does what i'm trying to say make sense?

Last edited by clownsRus (10/26/2010 3:05 pm)

 

10/27/2010 12:25 pm  #19


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

Sorry Guys, I havent been online since the wekend - work is interfering with slot drags

Scoobe, you may need a lot of weight to counterbalance the weight of the motor if you mount the motor on the pivoting section but it should work.

Clowns, I cant picture your design sorry but a "launchiong car" (ie wheelstand and settling back down) can be achueved by trial & error on the weight distribution.

JW try here: If there is a particular section you want to see close up tell me and I'll take some photos on the weekend
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/mhaston/SlotCars/HowTo/Wheelstander.jpg


Mark


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10/27/2010 2:39 pm  #20


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

Let's try it like this, if the car leaves and never gets high enough to get to the balance point, wont it just fall back down? If this is the case then instead of having the chassis that mounts directly to the body and goes upwards with it when you take off say 6 inches long make it 3 inches long that way it never gets to its balance point and will just take off, go upwards then sit back down, of course it wont go straight up like a wheel stander but it will look realistic and come up just barely like most real cars do anyways... how's that?

 

10/27/2010 4:40 pm  #21


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

Wheelstanders look fun.  I want to try one after a couple other cars on my list.  If I made a wheel stander I would have have it sponsored by Viagra.

Last edited by BUck Creek Bob (10/27/2010 4:41 pm)


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10/27/2010 10:25 pm  #22


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

Hi Clowns, all my wheelstanders cant over centre and stay up so they will fall back by themselves whan power ovff.  Then, for the launching car,  I just add a bit more weight so that only the weight transfer at launch gets them up and even full power cant keep it wheelstanding and it settles back at about 8 feet.

Here is an example
http://bracket500.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?pid=1884#p1884

There are a huge number of ways to do the trick so, I agree, build your design and see how it goes.  Take photos and share what works best.

M


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10/28/2010 8:27 am  #23


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

yep im sure it could. i have photos of that type of design at the startof this thread that worked. m


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10/28/2010 2:00 pm  #24


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

I think Marty is right on key with what I was trying to say, I seen your challenger and that's why I asked... I really want to see a slowmo close up when you get it done Mark to see how it works, I think making the cars leave like that and sitting back down would be huge for realism in this sport!

 

10/29/2010 9:56 am  #25


Re: Wheelstanders are fun

Yep they are great lookers, I only get to race 1-2 times a year and theprototype worked last year.

You see the front wheels "drop" a bit on launch to look like its got front suspension.  I'll be trying it again in November

Mark


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